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Je recherche une ouverture pour 1.e4 avec les noir 4 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: 0  
Bonjour,

Un joueur expérimenté m'a récemment expliquer en bref le fonctionnement de la défense est-indienne que j'ai trouvé pas mal du tout. Seulement voila, je me retrouve totalement désemparé lorsque mon adversaire joue 1.e4^^. Je recherche donc une ouverture pour répondre correctement à ce coup. Si possible et vu mon niveau, il me fodrait une défense simple, riche en plans pour mon milieu de partie et qui corresponde au type de jeu encouragée par l'est-indienne.

Voila j'espère que ce n'est pas trop demandé et qu'un telle perle existe ^^.
 
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Re:Je recherche une ouverture pour 1.e4 avec les n 4 Months ago Karma: 0  
salut decapfour,
je penses que le meme système se joue sur e4.
1. e4 g6 2.d4 Fg7 3.Cf3 d6 4.Fe2 Cf6


(j'aurais bien mi la position mais j'arrive pas a mettre une image...)
 
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Re:Je recherche une ouverture pour 1.e4 avec les noir 4 Months ago Karma: 2  
bonjour,

franchement je ne suis pas sûr que l'est indienne et la défense Pirc soient réellement liées ...

L'est indienne entraine ( en général ) une attaque sur l'aile roi après avoir bloquer ( plus ou moins ) le centre ... tandis que la Pirc implique plus ( enfin je crois ) une attaque sur l'aile Dame ( côté noir bien sûr ) ..

Pour les blancs , l'un des avantages de l'est indienne c'est que le pion d4 qui avance en d5 ( suite à c5 ou e5 des noirs ) est soutenu par le pion c4 , qui est replacé par un cavalier en c3 dans la pirc( avec donc un developpement plus rapide )

La philosophie des deux ouvertures sont donc à mon avis différentes.

Mais je me trompe peut être

scandien
 
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Re:Je recherche une ouverture pour 1.e4 avec les n 4 Months ago Karma: 0  
bonsoir,
vous avez surement raison, je connais mal ces ouvertures, mais alors laquelle pourrait le plus se rapprocher de l'est indienne ?
 
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Re:Je recherche une ouverture pour 1.e4 avec les noir 3 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: 0  
Salut decapfour,

Je ne pense pas qu'il existe sur 1.e4 des ouvertures possédant les mêmes caractéristiques que l'Est-Indienne, à savoir un assaut en règle sur petit roque blanc via des pressions continues sur cases noires. Scandien a raison quand il explique que le type de positions amené par la défense Pirc oblige les noirs à trouver du contre-jeu sur l'aile-dame, vu que c'est le roque des noirs qui est en général assailli sur la pirc. Pour ma part je te conseillerai tout simplement d'opter pour l'espagnole en jouant 1..e5. Certes ce n'est pas automatique car les blancs peuvent jouer une italienne (3.Fc4 après 2.Cf3 Cc6) ou bien l'écossaise (3.d4). Mais l'espagnole peut accoucher de positions tranchantes avec souvent de bonnes perspectives d'attaque sur l'aile-roi pour les noirs.
Je ne connais pas ton niveau de jeu, mais une chose me parait également importante. Jusqu'à un niveau de 2000-2100 elo travailler les ouvertures ne me paraît pas fondamental.Certes tu peux apprendre des lignes théorique par coeur jusqu'au 15ème coup, mais bien souvent les joueurs ne savent pas tirer parti des positions obtenues. Bosses la tactique, et le jeu positionnel et tu progresseras bien mieux.

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Re:Je recherche une ouverture pour 1.e4 avec les noir 2 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: 0  
salut,

une autre attitude serait de rechercher les joueurs qui correspondent à ton _style_ de jeu, ton tempéramment sur l'échiquier, des joueurs dont le _style_ et la façon de jouer te parlent... ensuite, regarde leurs répertoires, si ces ouvertures te parlent, il y aura de bonnes chances qu'elles te conviennent...

mais tu ne peux pas à mon avis demander des ouvertures faciles avec des plans riches et variés car ça, ça me paraît contradictoire... de fait, il ne faut pas fuir la difficulté et apprendre à tout jouer... il est impossible de vraiment progresser sans travail ! ça doit être une seconde nature... un labeur infatiguable est fondamental pour avoir "le talent" de savoir quoi faire "talentueusement" de son imagination, de ses intutions donc de ses inspirations...

de fait, comme en tout, il ne faut pas croire que les échecs sont faits de formules faciles à apprendre qu'il suffit d'apprendre et d'appliquer pour gagner, sinon ça se saurait et tout le monde jouerait de la même façon... et le jeu n'aurait plus aucun attrait !

enfin, comme disait un intervenant, il est NETTEMENT plus judicieux de travailler tous les aspects du jeu (perfectionner ce qu'on sait bien faire et apprendre ce qu'on ne sait pas faire, et rechercher ce qu'on ne sait pas qu'il y a à faire !)...

Gregory
 
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